@qbteachmt   "If your Roth account isn't doing as well or better than your Trad IRA account, you have a different issue "

Wow. That really is uncalled for.  If you can't play nice with others, you should not play at all.

I know you will avoid the challenge, but here it is if you choose to stop comparing apples to oranges.  

Take any amount.

Choose any tax rate, and assume it's the same at the time of conversion and at the time of distribution. 

Choose any rate of return, and assume the traditional IRA is invested the same way as the Roth IRA.

Choose any number of years. 

Show just one example of where the Roth account after taxes, is greater than the traditional IRA after taxes.