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RMD penalty Relief for Incompetent person without power of attorney

Lawnet
Level 1

Client's wife can't take RMD because she is nonverbal and is not competent. Wife does not have power of attorney.  How do they file for relief of penalty?  Husband is in the process of seeking a conservatorship.  Do they week until IRS send notice of penalty or is there a proactive way to deal with this situation? 

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BobKamman
Level 15

The penalty for filing MFS (85% of Social Security becomes taxable) may be greater than the penalty for not taking RMD's. IRS has procedures for signing returns for an incompetent person.  

@IRonMaN has the right answers on using Form 5329.  Do they have grandchildren?  One of them can probably set up online access to the Schwab account and make the problem go away.  

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IRonMaN
Level 15

Check out the bottom of the second page of form 5329.  As long as that gets filed it is pretty much an automatic exception.  As a side note, there were no RMDs for 2020.

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George4Tacks
Level 15

The 5329 needs to be filed for every year that the distribution is not take. The penalty for each distribution not taken is charged for every year that the distribution is not made, e.g. miss 2017 for $1,000, miss 2018 for $1,200, miss 2019 for $1,600 then even though there no distribution for 2020, there is still a penalty on $3,800 for the three prior years that are still not distributed.

As @IRonMaN fill out the bottom for an exception. 


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Lawnet
Level 1

The problem is that wife lacks capacity and has no power of attorney.  Schwab won't automatically take RMD for her.  Is there anyway to avoid penalty under these circumstances? I don't see how Form 5329 addresses this issue.

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IRonMaN
Level 15

Check out the form instructions and the software.  To the best of my knowledge, it has worked for roughly 99.97866799871779999% of taxpayers to date.

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IRonMaN
Level 15

And in the meantime, have them hire an attorney to work out the issues with Schwab.

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Terry53029
Level 12
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@Lawnet Look at the bottom of 5329 in ProSeries, (not the form itself) in the software between line 53, and 54 there is a "waiver of tax smart worksheet" If you fill that out, as @IRonMaN said it will work for 99.97866799871779999% of all taxpayers for avoiding any penalty.

George4Tacks
Level 15

They may want to consider Married Filing Separately until this is all resolved. Since Wife is not competent and there is no representative, my guess is that no return can be filed yet. Signature for wife on a MFJ return is also a probable issue.

 


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BobKamman
Level 15

The penalty for filing MFS (85% of Social Security becomes taxable) may be greater than the penalty for not taking RMD's. IRS has procedures for signing returns for an incompetent person.  

@IRonMaN has the right answers on using Form 5329.  Do they have grandchildren?  One of them can probably set up online access to the Schwab account and make the problem go away.  

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